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need a note in the ability scores page (and probably the caster pages) that you can't get spells of a higher level than your class level allows, even with a high stat.
deathwatch monocle Deathgaze attack should use the item's to-hit, not the wearer's... also need to fix the Deathwatch power to not be defeated by damage or healing the wearer inflicts
  • create an "all other skills" value -- (character level - 2) + d20. Note that no stat is added to this.
  • At low levels, this allows an easy check on a 10 or better, but at high levels, caps out at needing a 19 or better.
  • Trained Only skills would require at least 1 rank in them before you could use this All Other Skills value.
  • When using the "All Other Skills" value, natural 20's don't provide any crit bonus, but natural 1's still fail.
  • Bards might get a class feature which grants them a +4 to +9 scaling bonus to this value.
  • Wizards might get a class feature which grants them a +2 to +7 scaling bonus to this value.
  • Int Rogues might get a class feature which grants them a +1 to +5 scaling bonus to this value.
  • most classes wouldn't get any bonus to it. Just the ones we think should be "good at skills" in general.
  • we could, if we really want to, give a +1 bonus for every +5 modifier a character has in INT (dropping fractions), but I don't recommend it. Instead, just putting a scaling bonus into our 'high skilled' classes would give us yet another knob to turn for thickening up some dead levels in a few classes.
Note that this value will be better than any skill you just put 1 rank into but otherwise never boost (after level 5 or so).  Considering how bad a skill gets if you just leave it at 1 rank, with no magic support (even if it's tied to a good stat), there's no realistic way to keep that viable. Even if you put ranks into a skill every other level, if you don't tie it to a good stat or give it magic support, you'll need a 21+ to make an easy check at level 35.

The only reasonable approach to skills, as our game is currently defined today, without changing anything, is to keep your ranks maxed out in a set number of skills, and ignore everything else.  Dumping a few ranks here and there just makes ALL of your skill checks weak, and the weakest among them aren't ever going to be viable, even for easy checks.  Having an "All Other Skills" value would just make that fact more obvious to any novice players.
  • items have their own to-hits; weapons use the wielder’s to-hit
  • re-examine Cargo, in light of name conflict of field. (see Template:Monster2 and scroll to very bottom).
  • figure out how mounts affect encumbrance
  • add new status conditions that inflict a circle penalty (or alter existing conditions to include it)
  • create a "circle 0" and update the various mana burning rules for it.
  • would like to go through the major numbers of the game (skills, ac, to-hits, damage, etc.) and list out each possible bonus type, their max bonus (for each type) and get a sense of our ranges.
  • Update Between Adventures section on Spell Research to clarify language about adding metamagic to a researched spell -- metamagic added /can/ increase the gross spell level above 17, just not be added as research to produce an infinitely metamagicked spell.

'Finishing' Epic Path

  • Magic Items
  • items per slot sorted by style of play: tank, striker, ranged striker, caster, buffer (includes healing/leader)
  • clean up magic properties for weapons/shields/armor
  • rods provide a single spell to the wielder, using up charges (was wands); requires UMD if you can't normally learn the spell (you don't need to know it, just be /able/ to know it). Uses up one hand, and counts as a light mace.
  • staves provide multiple spells, using up charges (largely unchanged, but should use turning stones for charges, like wands); doesn't require UMD if you can cast any spells at all, but an easy check if you can't. Uses up both hands, and counts as a quarterstaff.
we could allow staves to have a "slot" for an orb. An orb is just a variant of a wand (any wand(?) can be an orb), and the orb can just be added to the staff, giving the staff the powers of the staff as well as the orb (wand) to the wielder.  This would make staves much more attractive to spellcasters...  Technically, we could do the same thing for rods, but perhaps the orb can't be used as often on a rod as on a staff, or an orb on a rod uses up charges from the rod, but an orb on a staff doesn't use any of the staff's charges?
  • wands 'augment' casting, rather than provide spells. Only casters use wands. (was rods). Uses up 1 hand and doesn't threaten.
  • scrolls grant a consumable spell, requires UMD, standard action to cast. Cannot be used for mana-burning, but if you can mana-burn, you can, in theory, use your own spell slots to mana-burn a scroll.
  • Metamagic Wands (was rods) -- you can only use a metamagic wand if you already know the feat the wand is granting. However, the wand gets rid of the spell level increase when wielded (upgrades improve max base spell level they can affect, and possibly uses per day/encounter/round).


  • Character Class Rebalancing
  • look at partisan's Superiority ability (fast healing) -- is it too much?
change to a self-only instant heal as swift action, once per encounter, with scaling healing?
  • Sorcerer Bloodlines -- need a LOT of work, review, etc. At a minimum, need to clean out dead links and replace with useful content. Trim down qty of bloodlines (9?)
  • Domains -- decide if these are going to be in the game as a player mechanic (I lean toward 'no'), but if not, decide how they factor into deities
  • clean out language about domains (druids, paladins, etc.)
  • Redo / update the Damage Analysis spreadsheet for each character class - painful, yes, but a lot has changed, and we'll need this data to keep our monsters tuned to the PC's.
  • Personalized BABs, ACs, MOs/MDs, Saves
  • customized full attacks -- most classes should get some benefit from a full attack action, even at level 1 (not necessarily additional attacks, though)
  • customized attacks of opportunity -- some classes might be able to use an AOO for something other than a bonus attack - shield bash, 5-foot step, etc. Provoking is still a thing, but doesn't always provoke a simple attack.
  • thicker class features (we still have some dead levels)
  • some class(es) may be able to activate command word magic items as a move or swift by spending hit points
  • Update Druid Wild Shape and Animal Companion class features
  • Update Wizard Familiar and Implement class features
  • Update Alchemist Mutagen class feature
  • update Wizard Specialist School bonus from +1 save DC and +1 spell circle, to something equally good, but less confusing (bonus circle pushes them above level cap for circle, especially at early levels).


  • Character Sheet:
  • PDF Character Sheet (Fillable) -- yes, this will happen
  • create sample characters for each class, with planned builds up through level 5 (should be easy after character rebalance).
  • do we want to have any 'iconic' characters in our setting, that we use as examples of given classes for story and/or example purposes?


  • Monsters:
  • create at least 10 per CR. Still need CR's 19 through 40, but CR's 1 - 18 are done enough for now.
  • finish updating monsters for damage types, ER/DR types, and general clean-up (update to new variables, maladies template, etc.)
Finished up through CR 13


  • Setting:
  • At a minimum, we need to have some sample gods for clerics to pick from, just like we have sample vows for paladins. Multiple pantheons are okay, but I'd like some unified theory for why there are multiples
  • Cosmology of Creation page should be tailored to suit our view of the campaign setting. If we try to keep it 'generic', it will feel hollow.
  • decide how the many races factor into our default setting. Are all the races treated as normal citizens, or are some discriminated against (half-orcs, for example)? Are non-human races (in particular the oddball ones) sometimes born to human parents, or are they only products of their own purebred lineages?


Cleanup Tasks

  • remove alignment based damage and DR/ER from game (monks, paladins, some monsters, magic weapon properties, magic armor properties)
  • Finish moving the following into their respective templates:
  • alchemist discoveries
  • rogue talents
  • fighter tactics
  • magic items (into new template)
  • Equipment pages -- finish them, clean out the stupid stuff
  • finish the Designing Skill Challenges section on the Game Master's Guide page.
  • Glossary of Terms page
  • Add definition of triggered free action
  • add some notes to the Spells page, regarding GM's adjudicating 'fluff' vs 'crunch'.
  • Specific examples are direct damage (crunch) vs. illusions (fluff).
  • Rules for bonuses from fluff which give general 'not to exceed' values.
  • plus for caster level (+1 to +3), and plus for creativity (+1 to +2).
  • need to update / create page for monster types and subtypes.
  • need to review any broken links to subtypes that we don't actually want to define (e.g. azata)
  • just generally clean up all broken links
  • Update earth glide, tunneling, burrowing - cannot affect manufactured things (walls, doors, etc.); should also be noted in the Breaking Things page.
  • racial traits: normalize what levels you (might) improve your racial abilities (10, 20, 30?), and add it into the class tables
  • create a "tactical" keyword and category that would identify feats, abilities, skill uses, etc. that are very dependent on a map, and wouldn't work well in a 'theater of the mind' game.

Bonus Systems

  • Settlements and Sieges
  • Followers / Leadership / Large-Scale War Rules
  • Auramancy / Blood Magic
  • True Dweomers
  • Artifacts
  • Traps (as enemy combatants)
  • Remnants

Printable Version

  • Need some cover art for a book(let)s. Open to suggestions...
  • leaning towards a 5.5" x 8" book size as our 'starter guide' for cons, ~80 half-pages, for everything: how to play, character classes, equipment, weapons, low-level magic items, status conditions, basically everything you'd need to play up to level 5-ish. Interior will not have art, unless we really want to commission some.
  • Needs to be everything you need to know to play the game (at low levels), without access the internet or the wiki.
  • shouldn't have links or other web-based 'features', and it will need a table of contents and an index.
  • Short appendix that describes some of the other features that are available in the complete game on the wiki.
  • Found some online print sites that will do this for about $10/book, so 20 of these per convention would be about $200 which doesn't seem crazy to me.
  • will give these out to anyone who plays through the module.
  • pre-generated characters on no more than 4 pages each, printed on cardstock?
  • Will give these out to anyone who played that class through the module.
  • should be designed as a good party mix, rather than just 1 of each class; assume somewhere between 5 and 8 players.
  • a module we can run in 4-ish hours that shows off the best parts of our game -- skills, character class uniqueness, dynamic and fun combats, including a 'threat' fight as the finale. Characters should probably be level 1, but I'm willing to consider up to level 3 if there's a good reason to go there.
  • needs to have good opportunities to role-play, opportunities to use skills in an interesting way, and some fun set pieces for the combat encounters.
  • I need this by Jan 1, 2020, so I can get it printed in time for the March JoCo cruise.

Skill Fixes / Updates

  • Replace Skill Focus (Feat), and Skill Focus, Epic (Feat) with Skill Expert (Feat), Skill Specialist (Feat), and Skill Prodigy (Feat).
  • Skill Expert (Feat): +2 bonus to skill, crit on 19-20 (+5 to result), no longer critically fail on a 1
  • Skill Specialist (Feat): +2 bonus to skill, crit on 18-20 (+7 to result), new skill uses available (current epic skill uses)
  • Skill Prodigy (Feat): +1 bonus to skill, crit on 17-20 (+10 on result), new skill uses available (champions level super-hero stuff)
  • Perform: performance complexity - clarify to setting the CR of the song
  • same for entertaining an audience

Siege Weapons / Settlements Notes

  • review 'breaking objects' page, in light of changes to vehicle combat and removal of abstract encounters rules
  • siege weapons - how do they work with the vehicle combat rules?
    • unless we want siege weapons to continue to be cumulative forces, though it seems like people hated all the dice rolling of the abstract encounters
    • right now, vehicles will never penetrate heavy defenses and fortifications; the target DC's are way too high, as are many of the durabilities
  • add weights for all doors and such on the 'breaking objects' page, for purposes of the Might skill.

New Feats Notes

    • Warlord - more formation dice
    • Ranger - more quarry dice
    • Ranger - better traps (better action economy, use against an occupied space)
    • Prowler - improve save DC for encroaching jolt?
    • add a feat to allow "deny saving throw" under Heal to be non-provoking, and take only a move action (no bonus to check)
    • Update/Remove any feats which apply to abstract encounters
    • Review barbarian feats again
    • Fighter - able to challenge one additional target each round (epic?)
    • agile runner - able to make a single turn during a run movement (scale w/level? require the Runner (Feat)?)

DR / ER Notes

  • create a dr type ‘mundane/non-magic’ (do we need this? If so, which monsters have magical natural attacks vs mundane?)

Bonus Types

There are 28 bonus types:

  • Untyped Bonus
  • Alchemical Bonus
  • Armor Bonus
  • Armor Enhancement Bonus
  • Circumstance Bonus
  • Competence Bonus
  • Deflection Bonus
  • Dodge Bonus
  • Enhancement Bonus
  • Feat Bonus
  • Inherent Bonus
  • Insight Bonus
  • Integral Bonus
  • Level Bonus
  • Luck Bonus
  • Martial Bonus
  • Material Bonus
  • Morale Bonus
  • Natural Armor Bonus
  • Profane Bonus
  • Racial Bonus
  • Resistance Bonus
  • Retraining Bonus
  • Sacred Bonus
  • Shield Bonus - removed
  • Shield Enhancement Bonus
  • Size Bonus
  • Training Bonus
  • Weapon Bonus

Based on current plan for magic redo, the following bonus types might be eliminated:

  • Alchemical Bonus
  • Competence Bonus (?) - does a bard's performance count as a "charge"?
  • Insight Bonus
  • Luck Bonus
  • Martial Bonus (?) - does a warlord's battle standard count as a "charge"?
  • Morale Bonus
  • Profane Bonus
  • Sacred Bonus

to be replaced with:

  • arcane bonus
  • divine bonus
  • vital bonus (both arcane & divine)

Possible New Character Classes

  • Physical Adept class (Fleshcrafter?) - arcane-powered melee, re-tool eidolon-style abilities as self-buffs
  • Mentat Warsage Storm Knight class - intelligence-based melee and thrown weapons user.
  • Toxotes - high damage ranged attacks, trick shots (possibly just create via new rogue talents?)
  • Galvanist
  • Seeker
  • Templar
  • Effigy (Artifact? Vestige?)
  • the character is an actual artifact, which is intelligent. The actual artifact is /somewhere/, though even the player may not know where. They have extended their consciousness into a remote effigy (moppet?) with which they interact with the world.
  • they can use their experience to augment their effigy, giving it better abilities
  • like a summoner or pet class, except that the master isn't present on the battlefield
  • Assassin
  • inflicts and spreads bleeds; can end all bleeds to deal that much damage to all enemies (even non-bleeding ones)

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