Talk:Skills

As part of the feats pass, I was planning to change Bluff (Feint) and Intimidate (Demoralize) to: Standard Action, or the first attack of a Full Attack Action. this pulls them in-line with spellcasting

we COULD make this a straight-up Standard Attack instead, which lets the skill check happen at the lowest BAB instead of the highest. Feedback? I know we have plans for skills later, and don't want to rock any boats :)

yes, I agree, make Demoralize and Feint standard attacks. They're basically combat maneuvers, really, and I've always felt they should be defined as such. They just use Intimidate and Bluff, instead of Might and Sleight of Hand.  If you want to bring them into those rules, I'm happy to do it. It shouldn't take too long to do that (though this week is going to be a little hectic).

Skill Bonuses

• skill basis (automatic/passive) — +1 to +9
• magic enhancement (item) — +1 to +9 (+1 to +5 pre-epic, +6 to +9 epic)
• feats:

• skill expert feat — +2
• skill specialist feat — +2
• skill prodigy feat — +1
• less dedicated feats — +1 to +4
• tertiary feats — +1

• racial traits or class feature

• major trait or major class feature — +1 to +4
• minor trait or lesser class feature — +1 to +2

• weapon bonus (from weapon qualities) — +1 to +4 (only for specific combat maneuvers)

Specific Skill Bonuses

• weapon qualities — +2 to one or more combat maneuvers.

Skills available per primary Stat

Str:

• Might
• Naturalism
• Piloting (based on ship class)
• Warfare

Con:

• Divinity
• Piloting (based on ship class)
• Reason
• Warfare

Dex:

• Acrobatics
• Disable Device
• Escape Artist
• Movement
• Naturalism
• Piloting (based on ship class)
• Sleight of Hand
• Spellcraft
• Spycraft
• Stealth

Int:

• Knowledge (Arcana)
• Knowledge (Deep History)
• Knowledge (Dungeoneering)
• Knowledge (Engineering)
• Knowledge (Geography)
• Knowledge (History)
• Knowledge (Local)
• Knowledge (Logic)
• Knowledge (Nature)
• Knowledge (Nobility)
• Knowledge (Planes)
• Knowledge (Religion)
• Linguistics
• Piloting (based on ship class)
• Reason
• Spellcraft
• Spycraft

Wis:

• Barter
• Divinity
• Heal
• Naturalism
• Perception
• Piloting (based on ship class)
• Profession (all)
• Reason
• Sense Motive
• Survival

Cha:

• Bluff
• Diplomacy
• Disguise
• Divinity
• Handle Animal
• Intimidate
• Perform (all)
• Piloting (based on ship class)
• Spellcraft
• Spycraft
• Use Magic Device
• Warfare

Proposed Change - Skill Mastery Levels

Mastery Levels

• Untrained

• stat bonus only to checks, cannot ever get a result higher than 20.
• Critically fail on a natural 1, or by being 5 lower than DC
• cannot critically succeed on a 20.

• Trained

• requires at least 1 rank in the skill
• allows checks to critically succeed on a 20 (getting +5 to total result).
• allows checks to go over 20

• Expert

• requires Skill Expert feat
• some classes and races can get expert in a skill without the feat, and at fewer ranks
• feat grants +2 feat bonus to the skill (doesn't scale)
• no longer critically fail on a natural 1, only if you are 5 lower than DC
• critically succeed on a 19-20 (getting +5 to total result)
• some skills may offer new skill uses at this level

• Specialist

• requires Skill Specialist feat and a minimum number of ranks (11)
• some classes and races can get specialist level in a skill without the feat, and at fewer ranks
• feat grants +2 feat bonus to the skill (doesn't scale)
• crit on an 18-20 (getting +7 to total result)
• new skill uses available (current epic only stuff?)

• Prodigy

• requires Skill Prodigy feat and a minimum number of ranks (21)
• some classes and races may allow Prodigy level in a skill without first purchasing Skill Expert and Skill Specialist, and at fewer ranks.
• feat grants +1 feat bonus to the skill (doesn't scale)
• crit on a 17-20 (getting +10 to total result)
• new skill uses available (the really GOOD stuff - Champions level stuff)