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*damage scaling
*damage scaling


Pre-Epic, spells generally do 1d6 per caster level to a hard cap, 10d6-ish at 3rd level, somewhat higher above.  Combined with metamagic, this allows up to 12 points per caster level of the spell, to a cap.
True Dweomers do MUCH more damage than levl 9 spells, unless extensive manaburning happens. 
 
 
 
{| class="ep-default"
|+ '''New True Dweomer Damage Model'''
! Spell Circle || Burn Cost || Min Level || Base Dice|| max dice || range || avg || perfected
|-
| TD1  || +1 || 21st || 1d6+6/CL || 31d6+186 || 217-372 || 294.5 || 744
|-
| TD2  || +1 || 23rd || 1d6+8/CL || 31d6+248 || 279-434 || 356.5 || 868
|-
| TD3  || +1 || 25th || 1d6+9/CL ||      32d6+288 || 320-480 || 400 || 960
|-
| TD4  || +1 || 27th || 1d6+10/CL ||      32d6+320    || 392-512 || 452 || 1024
|-
| TD5  || +1 || 29th || 1d6+11/CL ||      33d6+363 || 399-561 || 480 || 1122
|-
| TD6  || +1 || 31st || 1d6+13/CL ||      33d6+429 || 462-627 || 544.5 || 1254
|-
| TD7  || +1 || 33rd || 1d6+15/CL ||      34d6+510 || 544-714 || 629 || 1428
|-
| TD8  ||  +1 || 35th || 1d6+16/CL ||      34d6+544 || 588-748 || 668 || 1496
|-
| TD9  ||  +1 || 37th || 1d6+17/CL ||      35d6+595 || 630-805 || 717.5 || 1610
|}
 
True Dweomers are affected by metamagic feats, but note that many of the more potent feats have such a large level adjustment, they cannot be fit onto the higher level true dweomers.
 
examine this scaling.  do we want that to extend higher?


True Dweomers do MUCH more damage.  Spell damage is the caster level squared, ranging from 20x20 (400 base) to 35x35 (1225 base), before metamagic.


*range
*range
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*area of effect
*area of effect


true dweomers with AOE's tend to be LARGE, up to thousands of feet, miles, even leagues.
true dweomers with AOE's tend to be LARGE, up to thousands of feet, miles, even leagues.  note that metamagic can make even that larger.


*saves
*saves
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==Examples of new True Dweomers==
==Examples of new True Dweomers==
* '''10th'''  Corrupt Dweomers: Target a foe, any items they have no longer give them a bonus until the end of the encounter. If the items have a CL of 20 or below, there is no roll.  If the items have a CL of 21 or higher, make a [[Caster Check]] vs a target of 10+ the CL of each item.  If it succeeds, the item no longer gives a bonus until the end of the encounter.  If it fails, there is no effect.
* '''10th'''  Corrupt Dweomers: Target a foe, any items they have no longer give them a bonus until the end of the encounter. If the items have a CL of 20 or below, there is no roll.  If the items have a CL of 21 or higher, make a [[Caster Check]] vs a target of 10+ the CL of each item.  If it succeeds, the item no longer gives a bonus until the end of the encounter.  If it fails, there is no effect.
old example, but you get the idea


* '''11th'''
* '''11th'''

Revision as of 10:51, 5 January 2019

WIP! This system is under development.

True Dweomers are an old Epic system for magics 'better than spells'. Since it is a high-epic system, it is lower on the priority list and may develop slowly.

We have every intention of integrating these rules into Epic Path as the game matures, but it may be a while!

In the meantime, if you are an Epic caster we have LOTS of metamagic feats available that will allow you to use all those high-level spell slots. Few things are more fun than a Heightened, Perfected Wish. :)


System and Structure

  • damage scaling

True Dweomers do MUCH more damage than levl 9 spells, unless extensive manaburning happens.


New True Dweomer Damage Model
Spell Circle Burn Cost Min Level Base Dice max dice range avg perfected
TD1 +1 21st 1d6+6/CL 31d6+186 217-372 294.5 744
TD2 +1 23rd 1d6+8/CL 31d6+248 279-434 356.5 868
TD3 +1 25th 1d6+9/CL 32d6+288 320-480 400 960
TD4 +1 27th 1d6+10/CL 32d6+320 392-512 452 1024
TD5 +1 29th 1d6+11/CL 33d6+363 399-561 480 1122
TD6 +1 31st 1d6+13/CL 33d6+429 462-627 544.5 1254
TD7 +1 33rd 1d6+15/CL 34d6+510 544-714 629 1428
TD8 +1 35th 1d6+16/CL 34d6+544 588-748 668 1496
TD9 +1 37th 1d6+17/CL 35d6+595 630-805 717.5 1610

True Dweomers are affected by metamagic feats, but note that many of the more potent feats have such a large level adjustment, they cannot be fit onto the higher level true dweomers. 

examine this scaling.  do we want that to extend higher?


  • range

true Dweomers can use any range


  • area of effect

true dweomers with AOE's tend to be LARGE, up to thousands of feet, miles, even leagues. note that metamagic can make even that larger.

  • saves

true dweomers follow the basic rule 'no auto effects', but may impose severe save penalties in exchange for smaller range and/or area of effect, to the extreme of the example below "Corrupt Dweomers"



Current status

  • True Dweomers - data compilation begun
  • Interoperate with Abstract actions/become ritual magics?
  • Some casting times measured as a standard action usable in Real-Time, some casting times measured in Intervals?
  • Require skill rolls vs DC's to cast? (Old idea, but, it kind of works with the new systems pretty good....)
  • Example, to cast a True Dweomer in combat time requires a Bailiwick Skill Roll vs a Challenging DC for the Caster level.
  • Casting a True Dweomer as a ritual takes much longer and more 'stuff' (magic circle, altar, implements and unguents, horrifying sacrifices, etc) but does not require a bailiwick skill roll.

Examples of new True Dweomers

  • 10th Corrupt Dweomers: Target a foe, any items they have no longer give them a bonus until the end of the encounter. If the items have a CL of 20 or below, there is no roll. If the items have a CL of 21 or higher, make a Caster Check vs a target of 10+ the CL of each item. If it succeeds, the item no longer gives a bonus until the end of the encounter. If it fails, there is no effect.
old example, but you get the idea
  • 11th
  • 12th
  • 13th Accursed Dweomers: As Corrupt Dweomers, except any affected items inflict a penalty equal to their normal bonus until the end of the encounter.
  • 14th

Examples of new Feats

Truemagic Feats
  • Truemagic Scribe - learn one new true dweomer of 10th level
  • Truemagic Supplicant - learn two new true dweomers of 10th or 11th levels
  • Truemagic Ordained - learn three new true dweomers of 10th thru 12th levels
  • Truemagic Nominate - learn four new true dweomers of 10th thru 13th levels
  • Truemagic Magus - learn five new true dweomers of 10th thru 14th levels
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