Talk:Alchemist: Difference between revisions

From Epic Path
Jump to navigation Jump to search
No edit summary
No edit summary
 
(22 intermediate revisions by 2 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
__NOTOC__
__NOTOC__
Should probably rewrite the introductory paragraphs.  They are currently cut/paste copies from the d20pfsrd.
<pre>
courageous (1-5)
bombs
extracts
discoveries
pop rocks
tweaking
grand discovery I
implements
intrepid (6-10)
mutagen
mana burning
grand discovery II
poison resist I
heroic (11-15)
poison use
venom sac
grand discovery III
poison resist II
undaunted (16-20)
eureka bombs I
grand discovery IV
poison resist III
valorous (21-25)
eureka bombs II
grand discovery V
extract accelerants
poison immunity
mythic (26-30)
primal bombs I
grand discovery VI
eureka bombs III
legendary (31-35)
grand discovery VII
primal bombs II
eureka bombs IV
humours
</pre>


<pre>
1st [[Selective (Feat)]]
Grand Discoveries by Milieu:
3rd [[Point-Blank Shot (Feat)]]
5th [[Ammo Drop (Feat)]]
7th [[Large Target (Feat)]]
9th [[Splash Weapon Mastery (Feat)]]
11th [[Bomb, Improved (Feat)]]
13th [[Weapon Focus (Feat)]] - Sling
15th [[Prone Slinger (Feat)]]
17th [[Rod Whisperer (Feat)]]
19th [[Dodge (Feat)]]
21st [[Bomb, Mighty (Feat)]]
23rd [[Mobility (Feat)]]
25th [[Shot on the Run (Feat)]]
27th [[Weapon Focus, Greater (Feat)]] - Sling
29th [[Meta-Extract (Feat)]]
31st [[Cataclysm in a Bottle (Feat)]]
33rd [[Annus Mirabilis (Feat)]]
35th [[Empowering Bomb (Feat)]]


1-5
* Infinite Bombs
  - alters pop rocks to deal full bomb damage, still requires swift action to create them.


* Laminated Dermis
  - add DEX mod to hit points. When in mutagen form, add DEX score! to hit points instead.  Both of these are multiplied by the tier (i.e. x7 at legendary).


* Mutagenic Immutability
Discoveries
  - When the alchemist's mutagen effect ends, including if the alchemist voluntarily ends the mutagen effect, any status condition that the alchemist was suffering under is immediately ended. (note that "dead", "blooded", "staggered", and other hit-point related statuses are not considered conditions.)
2nd directed bomb
4th element bomb
6th dispelling bomb
8th greater mutagen
10th breath weapon bomb
12th rudiment bomb
14th fundament bomb
16th demolition charge
18th lesser infusion
20th explosive bomb
22nd greater infusion
24th major infusion
26th immolation bomb
28th perfect infusion
30th mutation mastery
32nd delayed bomb
34th vestigial arm


* Spontaneous Formulation
  - alchemist no longer needs to prepare extracts in advance.  They become spontaneous casters of extracts; if they know it, they can mix it on the fly, until they run out of slots for the day.  Mixing an extract becomes part of the same action as using the extract.


 
  Grand Discoveries
6-10
   
* Alchemical Abomination
  3rd Infinite Bombs
  - While in mutagen form, use mutations up to twice per encounter.
  8th Hyper Tweaking
 
  13th Mad Bomber
* Hyper-Tweaking
  18th Persistent Spark
  - gain 6 stat points, no more than +2 to a single stat
  23rd Carpet Bomber
 
  28th Soulfire
* midassian scion
  33rd Flesh Warping
  - converts sellable goods to money
  33rd Unborn Horror
  - converts remnants to money equal to 1 treasure parcel at the alchemist's level; yes, you can save them for later and they're worth more! tier of remnant is irrelevant.
 
* Protean Resistance
  - ER x/level versus 1 common energy type all the time, plus you can add additional energy types as a swift action, which last until the end of the encounter
 
 
11-15
* Icarus Ascendant
  - greater flight equal to walk + 10.  If you already have "Icarus Resplendent" discovery, this also grants hover equal to walk speed.
 
* Mad Bomber
  - add INT score to bombs damage (not MOD). Also applies to pop rocks. If mutagen form allows bombs, this is added there as well.
 
* Mutagenic Durability
  - ER and DR vs. common in mutagen form equal to character level; when mutations for ER or DR are active, stacks with (i.e. doubles) those values. Only in mutagen form.
 
* philosopher's stone
  - usable as implement
  - removes mana burning level caps -- mana burn your heart out.
 
 
16-20
* Alchemical Perfection
  - any melee attacks made while in normal (non-mutagen) form are resolved as touch attacks, and add DEX mod to-hit.
 
* Aura Masking
  - allows alchemist to alter the aura of themselves or an ally to:
    - mask their true alignment
    - mask their level or class
    - mask their magic items or make them appear as different magic items
    - essentially foils detection, but doesn't alter their physical appearance
      - stacks nicely with disguise skill or polymorph spell effects.
 
* Persistent Spark
  - ability to give away extracts of any level (merges 4 discoveries!)
 
* Sovereign Solution
  - improves all results on the mutagen table (merges 4 discoveries)
 
 
21-25
* Appendage Asymmetry
  - Gain a third arm (that looks however you want, arm, tentacle, claw, etc.) that grants a bonus attack at full BAB during a full attack action. Can retract into your body (to conceal it) as a standard action, and another standard action to bring it back out.
 
* Carpet Bomber
  - bombs become 5x5 AOE's, dealing full damage to all targets in area unless they make a save (no longer requires a ranged touch attack roll).  If you have Explosive Bomb discovery, this becomes a 7x7 area instead. You'll probably want selective bombs...
 
* Contagion
  - once per round, any time you move adjacent to an ally during any portion of your turn, you may grant that ally a single buff effect that is present on yourself, until the end of that ally's next turn.  The buff lays an Arcane charge on the ally, even if it doesn't normally lay one.  You can only affect one ally per round, but it requires no action other than being adjacent to them at some point during your turn.
 
* WHAT HATH SCIENCE WROUGHT?
  - While using your mutagen, gain two mutation effects each round, instead of one.
 
 
26-30
* Acidic Blood
  - as existing g.disc, but make it much better (enemies only, better save DC, and alchemist becomes immune to all acid). Still needs a bleed to work.
 
* Recurring Mutation
  - While in your mutagen form, one mutation is always present (and one is still random). If you have WHAT HATH SCIENCE WROUGHT? grand discovery, this means you get 1 persistent and two random mutations each round.
 
* Soulfire
  - +3 bonus to a single d20 roll per round (doesn't have to be your own), as a free action. OR, -3 penalty to a single d20 roll by an enemy once per round.
 
* Spontaneous Combustion
  - add INT stat (not MOD) to any damage dealt by your extracts.
 
 
31-35
* Acerbic Venom
  - If you don't already have venom sac, you get venom sac.
  - mods Venom Sac to allow any player poison to be used, instead of just basic poisons.  Also allows you to apply basic poison to ally weapons that last for all attacks made during the first round (and any surprise round).
 
* Auto-Cannibalism
  - spend your own hit points (as a free action) to buff yourself until the end of the current round. Usable in mutagen form or regular form!!  E.g. 5 hit points to gain +5 move speed to all movement types until end of the round; +1 dmg per hp spent (no limit); 10 hit points per +1 to AC or +1 to save, both usable retroactively.
 
* Flesh Warping
  - Once per encounter, heal yourself of damage an amount equal to 25% of your max hit points. Can be used in mutagen form (but only heals hit point damage in the form you are currently in).  This is a swift action, but can only be used during combat.
 
* Unborn Horror
  - requires Greater Mutagen discovery
  - While in your mutagen form, your bombs deal improved damage.
</pre>
 
<pre>
Humours
- Vitreous Humour - bonus melee attack at highest bab during full attack, even in mutagen form, stacks with haste.  Cannot be used to throw bombs or make ranged attacks; only melee attacks.
- Choleric Humour - any extracts that deal damage have their damage increased by the Alchemist's DEX score (not modifier).
- Phlegmatic Humour - the alchemist's AC and FORT saves improve by +4 at all times (i.e., in their normal and mutagen forms).
- Sangine Humour - the alchemist is immune to damage from their own bombs, even if primal. Furthermore, the alchemist can use a bomb to perform a 10' radius PBAOE centered on themselves, dealing full damage to all creatures in affected area; refl save for half (no to-hit roll).
</pre>
 
==New Class Features==
 
* As a high-level class ability: "Overburn" - Allows an Alchemist to use extra casting slots they would normally gain from a high caster stat (int) but do not since their levels cap at six, as overburn slots for manaburning.  IE, they can overburn slots they don't actually have
see extract accelerants, which will let them convert pop rocks to extract 'slots' for purposes of mana-burning (up to 3 per swift action, though they expire at the end of the round if unused, so you can't bank them up).  It would be easy to increase the number per swift action at higher levels, if we feel like 3 is too small.  However, it means they can mana burn 3 slots each round with a swift action forever, which is pretty powerful, IMO, since they aren't giving up any extract slots (other than the one they're using) each time.
 
* '''Alchemist's Fire''' (rename?) - (lvl 1) can create an infinite number of alchemist's fire (rename?) per day, but must use immediately
thought: instead of alchemist's fire, what if it's "Mini-Bombs", and they deal normal bomb damage but no longer splash, and can't be modified with discoveries?
 
* '''Poison Resistance I''' - (lvl 3) half CON mod (round down, min 1) bonus to all saves vs. poison
* '''Poison Resistance II''' - (lvl 11) never suffers damage from poison (though still affected by any conditions)
* '''Poison Resistance III''' - (lvl 17) can never be affected by the fruition of a poison
* '''Poison Immunity''' - (lvl 22) immune to all poisons.
 
* moved '''Mana Burning''' to level 9. Yikes!
 
* '''Venom Sac''' - this will become their ability to create a basic poison at-will. Can only be applied to their own weapons or natural attacks.
 
* '''Extract Accelerants''' - this will be a scaling pool of pseudo-extracts that the alchemist can use to mana burn their extracts.  Only good for mana burning.
 
* '''Lesser Eureka Bombs''' - 2 bonus bombs per day (don't count against normal max) that can have up to two discoveries applied to them at once.
* '''Greater Eureka Bombs''' - +1 bomb per day, all can have up to 3 discoveries applied to them at once.
* '''Perfect Eureka Bombs''' - +1 bomb per day, all can have up to 4 discoveries applied to them at once.
 
* '''Paragon of Science I''' - add half CON mod to 1 saving throw of their choice (round down, min 1).
* '''Paragon of Science II''' - do it again. Either same save or a different one.
rename these?
 
* '''Primal Bombs''' - slight change: uses a eureka bomb, makes it primal damage, but can only have 1 discovery applied to it (instead of 4).
 
==Bomb Damage Draft==
: {| class="ep-default" border="1" style="border-collapse:collapse; text-align:center;"
|-
! Alch Level || Dmg/Lvl || Int mod/bomb || Bomb Damage || Avg/Bomb  || 2/round avg  || 3/round avg
|-
| 1 || 1d6+0 || +5 Int || 1d6+0 || 8.5 || 17 || 25.5
|-
| 2 || 1d6+0 || +5 Int || 2d6+0 || 12 || 24 || 36
|-
| 3 || 1d6+0 || +5 Int || 3d6+0 || 15.5 || 33 || 48.5
|-
| 4 || 1d6+0 || +5 Int || 4d6+0 || 19 || 38 || 57
|-
| 5 || 1d6+0 || +5 Int || 5d6+0 || 22.5 || 45 || 67.5
|-
| 6 || 1d6+0 || +5 Int || 6d6+0 || 26 || 52 || 78
|-
| 7 || 1d6+0 || +5 Int || 7d6+0 || 29.5 || 59 || 88.5
|-
| 8 || 1d6+1 || +5 Int || 8d6+8 || 41 || 81 || 122
|-
| 9 || 1d6+1 || +6 Int || 9d6+9 || 46.5 || 93 || 139.5
|-
| 10 || 1d6+1 || +6 Int || 10d6+10 || 51 || 102 || 153
|-
| 11 || 1d6+1 || +6 Int || 11d6+11 || 55.5 || 111 || 166.5
|-
| 12 || 1d6+1 || +7 Int || 12d6+12 || 61 || 122 || 183
|-
| 13 || 1d6+1 || +7 Int || 13d6+13 || 65.5 || 131    || 196.5
|-
| 14 || 1d6+1 || +7 Int || 14d6+14 || 70 || 140 || 210
|-
| 15 || 1d6+2 || +7 Int || 15d6+30 || 86.5 || 173 || 259.5
|-
| 16 || 1d6+2 || +8 Int || 16d6+32 || 96 || 192 || 288
|-
| 17 || 1d6+2 || +8 Int || 17d6+34 || 101.5 || 203 || 304.5
|-
| 18 || 1d6+2 || +9 Int || 18d6+36 || 108 || 216 || 324
|-
| 19 || 1d6+2 || +9 Int || 19d6+38 || 113.5 || 227 || 340.5
|-
| 20 || 1d6+2 || +10 Int || 20d6+40 || 120 || 240 || 360
|-
| 21 || 1d6+2 || +10 Int || 21d6+42 || 125.5 || 251 || 376.5
|-
| 22 || 1d6+3 || +10 Int || 22d6+66 || 153 || 306 || 459
|-
| 23 || 1d6+3 || +10 Int || 23d6+69 || 159.5 || 319 || 478.5
|-
| 24 || 1d6+3 || +11 Int || 24d6+72 || 167 || 334 || 501
|-
| 25 || 1d6+3 || +11 Int || 25d6+75 || 173.5 || 347 || 520.5
|-
| 26 || 1d6+3 || +11 Int || 26d6+78 || 180 || 360 || 540
|-
| 27 || 1d6+3 || +12 Int || 27d6+81 || 187.5 || 375 || 562.5
|-
| 28 || 1d6+3 || +12 Int || 28d6+84 || 194 || 388 || 582
|-
| 29 || 1d6+4 || +13 Int || 29d6+116 || 230.5 || 461 || 691.5
|-
| 30 || 1d6+4 || +13 Int || 30d6+120 || 238 || 476 || 714
|-
| 31 || 1d6+4 || +14 Int || 31d6+124 || 246.5 || 493 || 739.5
|-
| 32 || 1d6+4 || +14 Int || 32d6+128 || 254 || 508 || 762
|-
| 33 || 1d6+4 || +15 Int || 33d6+132 || 262.5 || 525 || 787.5
|-
| 34 || 1d6+4 || +16 Int || 34d6+136 || 271 || 542 || 813
|-
| 35 || 1d6+4 || +17 Int || 35d6+140 || 279.5 || 559 || 838.5
|}
 
==quantity of bombs==
I suggest 8 bombs per day plus 1 additional bomb per milieu above courageous (i.e. 9 bombs at heroic (level 8), 10 at valorous (level 15), 11 at mythic (level 22), and 12 at legendary (level 29)).
 
if we go to 3 bombs per round (I assume that's for haste?), we might want to bump these up to +2 per milieu above courageous...
 
  note that EUREKA bombs add another 9 at high levels
 
==Discoveries and Grand Discoveries==
* possibly rebuild discoveries to reduce quantity available, or even map it into the 4 choices at 4 levels (16 discoveries).
* alchemists get 1 grand discovery per milieu (in the middle levels of the milieu -- 4, 11, 18, 25, and 32. -- Need to review grand discoveries for appropriateness at all levels.
* update the infusion discovery to be just 1st and 2nd level extracts, and make more discoveries for sharing out higher level extracts.
* replace all the damage type bomb discoveries with "element bomb" "rudiment bomb" and "fundament bomb" discoveries, instead, where a single damage type of common/uncommon/rare energy is selected at time discovery is taken. Each can be taken more than once to select another damage type of the same commonality.
* grand discoveries could be a combination of several 'normal' discoveries -- e.g. 1 grand discovery = all 3 infusion discoveries; 1 grand discovery = greater and grand mutagen; 1 grand discovery = alchemical claws, prehensile organs, explosive halitosis, hyperextended joints. This would be in addition to the discoveries being available separately.
 
==Extracts==
* are alchemists spontaneous casters (create extracts on the fly) or preparation casters (create extracts at the start of the day)?  Currently, they are both, though they must have grand mutagen discovery to use (pre-prepared only) extracts in mutagen form.
 
== Alchemist Example Builds ==
  (not a legal build; needs reviewed)
 
=== Bomb-Throwing Build ===
Human, base stats: Str 16, Dex 14, Con 14, int 18, Wis 10, Chr 8.
 
Example Feats
 
1st  Level: Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot.  Lets you put your bombs exactly where you want them
 
3rd Level: Weapon Focus:Bombs.  Still making the bombs better.
 
5th  Level: Extra Discovery: Acid Bombs*.  Now that the bombs go where you want them, you start to make them nassssty.
 
7th Level: Dodge.       A point of armor class and unlocks good stuff.
 
9th Level: Close Quarters Thrower. Throw bombs in melee!
 
11th Level: Charging Hurler. Lets you keep up with the first round rush and still attack.
 
13th Level: Far Shot. Throw bombs waaaay further and still hit.
 
15th Level: Mobility. Avoid those attacks of opportunity.
 
17th Level: Shot on the Run. Pop around a corner, throw a bomb, hide. So awesome.
 
19th Level: Clustered Shots. This lets you punch through DR like crazy.
 
 
Example Discoveries:
 
2nd Level: Precise Bombs
 
4th Level: Explosive Bombs*
 
6th Level: Breath Weapon Bomb
 
8th Level: Fast Bombs
 
10th Level: Force Bomb*
 
12th Level: Demolition Bomb*
 
14th Level: Dispelling Bomb*
 
16th Level: Frost Bomb*
 
18th Level: Elixir of Life
 
20th Level: Fast Healing 5, Smoke Bomb*, Inferno Bomb*.
 
 
 
=== Hulchemist Build ===
Human, base stats: Str 16, Dex 14, Con 14, int 18, Wis 10, Chr 8
 
Example Feats
 
1st Level: Dodge, Mobility. Move around in melee, get hit less, and melee sucks, you want the armor class bad.
 
3rd Level:  Weapon Focus: Natural Attacks.  Yeah, you wreck'em in melee, you betcha!
 
5th Level: Power Attack. Yeah, you wreck'em in melee, you betcha!
 
7th Level: Point Blank Shot. Still gotta work the bombs!
 
9th level: Toughness. Hit points, baby!
 
11th Level: Precise Shot. Workin' the bombs
 
13th level: Shot on the Run. The corner thing, so awesome.
 
15th Level: Rending Claws. Oh, yeah, even more melee damage
 
17th Level: Defensive Combat Training. Stops the bad guys from tackling you all the time
 
19th Level: Advanced Def Combat Training. No, seriously. Getting grappled sucks.
 
 
 
Example Discoveries:
 
2nd Level:  Alchemical Claw
 
4th Level:  Spontaneous Healing
 
6th Level:  Greater Mutagen
 
8th Level:  Vestigial Arm
 
10th Level: Vestigial Arm
 
12th Level: Grand Mutagen
 
14th Level: Tentacle
 
16th Level: True Mutagen
 
18th Level: Nauseating Flesh
 
20th Level: Alchemical Abomination, Improved Alchemical Claw, Preserve Organs.

Latest revision as of 17:52, 17 December 2020


1st	Selective (Feat)
3rd	Point-Blank Shot (Feat) 
5th	Ammo Drop (Feat)
7th	Large Target (Feat)
9th	Splash Weapon Mastery (Feat)
11th	Bomb, Improved (Feat)
13th	Weapon Focus (Feat) - Sling
15th	Prone Slinger (Feat)
17th	Rod Whisperer (Feat)
19th	Dodge (Feat)
21st	Bomb, Mighty (Feat)
23rd	Mobility (Feat)
25th	Shot on the Run (Feat)
27th	Weapon Focus, Greater (Feat) - Sling
29th	Meta-Extract (Feat)
31st	Cataclysm in a Bottle (Feat)
33rd	Annus Mirabilis (Feat)
35th	Empowering Bomb (Feat)



Discoveries 

2nd	directed bomb
4th	element bomb 
6th	dispelling bomb
8th	greater mutagen
10th	breath weapon bomb
12th	rudiment bomb
14th	fundament bomb
16th	demolition charge
18th	lesser infusion
20th	explosive bomb
22nd	greater infusion
24th	major infusion
26th	immolation bomb
28th	perfect infusion
30th	mutation mastery
32nd	delayed bomb
34th	vestigial arm



Grand Discoveries

3rd		Infinite Bombs
8th		Hyper Tweaking
13th		Mad Bomber
18th		Persistent Spark
23rd		Carpet Bomber
28th		Soulfire
33rd 		Flesh Warping
33rd		Unborn Horror
Retrieved from "https://www.epicpath.org/index.php?title=Talk:Alchemist&oldid=149771"