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  questions for the rebuild:
  1st [[Selective (Feat)]]
* Which stats should be key stats for the alchemist? The kind choice would be INT and DEX, but the slightly meaner choice would be INT and CON (since they'll need DEX for to-hits).
3rd [[Point-Blank Shot (Feat)]]
  In my mind, the perfect number of 'required' stats is 2, not counting 'useful' stats like CON, DEX, or INT that are good for everyone. 2 key stats per class would leave it reasonable to spread into a second class even if that class had no overlapping key stats with your favored class (since 4 decent stats is quite possible with the standard 28-point buy starting point).
5th [[Ammo Drop (Feat)]]
* are we okay with # of bombs per day equal to 8 + 1 per milieu above courageous?
7th [[Large Target (Feat)]]
* I think I want to sit down with you and come up with 20 Grand Discoveries, either from the existing list or making up some new ones, and split them up in to groups of four, for each milieu. Or maybe I'll take a stab at it tomorrow... we'll see how motivated I am.
9th [[Splash Weapon Mastery (Feat)]]
  11th [[Bomb, Improved (Feat)]]
13th [[Weapon Focus (Feat)]] - Sling
15th [[Prone Slinger (Feat)]]
17th [[Rod Whisperer (Feat)]]
19th [[Dodge (Feat)]]
  21st [[Bomb, Mighty (Feat)]]
23rd [[Mobility (Feat)]]
25th [[Shot on the Run (Feat)]]
27th [[Weapon Focus, Greater (Feat)]] - Sling
29th [[Meta-Extract (Feat)]]
31st [[Cataclysm in a Bottle (Feat)]]
33rd [[Annus Mirabilis (Feat)]]
  35th [[Empowering Bomb (Feat)]]


==Bomb Damage Draft==
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|-
! Alch Level || Dmg/Lvl || Int mod/bomb || Bomb Damage || Avg/Bomb  || 2/round avg  || 3/round avg
|-
| 1 || 1d6+0 || +5 Int || 1d6+0 || 8.5 || 17 || 25.5
|-
| 2 || 1d6+0 || +5 Int || 2d6+0 || 12 || 24 || 36
|-
| 3 || 1d6+0 || +5 Int || 3d6+0 || 15.5 || 33 || 48.5
|-
| 4 || 1d6+0 || +5 Int || 4d6+0 || 19 || 38 || 57
|-
| 5 || 1d6+0 || +5 Int || 5d6+0 || 22.5 || 45 || 67.5
|-
| 6 || 1d6+0 || +5 Int || 6d6+0 || 26 || 52 || 78
|-
| 7 || 1d6+0 || +5 Int || 7d6+0 || 29.5 || 59 || 88.5
|-
| 8 || 1d6+1 || +5 Int || 8d6+8 || 41 || 81 || 122
|-
| 9 || 1d6+1 || +6 Int || 9d6+9 || 46.5 || 93 || 139.5
|-
| 10 || 1d6+1 || +6 Int || 10d6+10 || 51 || 102 || 153
|-
| 11 || 1d6+1 || +6 Int || 11d6+11 || 55.5 || 111 || 166.5
|-
| 12 || 1d6+1 || +7 Int || 12d6+12 || 61 || 122 || 183
|-
| 13 || 1d6+1 || +7 Int || 13d6+13 || 65.5 || 131    || 196.5
|-
| 14 || 1d6+1 || +7 Int || 14d6+14 || 70 || 140 || 210
|-
| 15 || 1d6+2 || +7 Int || 15d6+30 || 86.5 || 173 || 259.5
|-
| 16 || 1d6+2 || +8 Int || 16d6+32 || 96 || 192 || 288
|-
| 17 || 1d6+2 || +8 Int || 17d6+34 || 101.5 || 203 || 304.5
|-
| 18 || 1d6+2 || +9 Int || 18d6+36 || 108 || 216 || 324
|-
| 19 || 1d6+2 || +9 Int || 19d6+38 || 113.5 || 227 || 340.5
|-
| 20 || 1d6+2 || +10 Int || 20d6+40 || 120 || 240 || 360
|-
| 21 || 1d6+2 || +10 Int || 21d6+42 || 125.5 || 251 || 376.5
|-
| 22 || 1d6+3 || +10 Int || 22d6+66 || 153 || 306 || 459
|-
| 23 || 1d6+3 || +10 Int || 23d6+69 || 159.5 || 319 || 478.5
|-
| 24 || 1d6+3 || +11 Int || 24d6+72 || 167 || 334 || 501
|-
| 25 || 1d6+3 || +11 Int || 25d6+75 || 173.5 || 347 || 520.5
|-
| 26 || 1d6+3 || +11 Int || 26d6+78 || 180 || 360 || 540
|-
| 27 || 1d6+3 || +12 Int || 27d6+81 || 187.5 || 375 || 562.5
|-
| 28 || 1d6+3 || +12 Int || 28d6+84 || 194 || 388 || 582
|-
| 29 || 1d6+4 || +13 Int || 29d6+116 || 230.5 || 461 || 691.5
|-
| 30 || 1d6+4 || +13 Int || 30d6+120 || 238 || 476 || 714
|-
| 31 || 1d6+4 || +14 Int || 31d6+124 || 246.5 || 493 || 739.5
|-
| 32 || 1d6+4 || +14 Int || 32d6+128 || 254 || 508 || 762
|-
| 33 || 1d6+4 || +15 Int || 33d6+132 || 262.5 || 525 || 787.5
|-
| 34 || 1d6+4 || +16 Int || 34d6+136 || 271 || 542 || 813
|-
| 35 || 1d6+4 || +17 Int || 35d6+140 || 279.5 || 559 || 838.5
|}


==quantity of bombs==
I suggest 8 bombs per day plus 1 additional bomb per milieu above courageous (i.e. 9 bombs at heroic (level 8), 10 at valorous (level 15), 11 at mythic (level 22), and 12 at legendary (level 29)).


  if we go to 3 bombs per round (I assume that's for haste?), we might want to bump these up to +2 per milieu above courageous...
  Discoveries
2nd directed bomb
4th element bomb
6th dispelling bomb
8th greater mutagen
10th breath weapon bomb
12th rudiment bomb
14th fundament bomb
16th demolition charge
18th lesser infusion
20th explosive bomb
22nd greater infusion
24th major infusion
26th immolation bomb
28th perfect infusion
30th mutation mastery
32nd delayed bomb
34th vestigial arm


note that EUREKA bombs add another 9 at high levels


==Discoveries and Grand Discoveries==
Grand Discoveries
* possibly rebuild discoveries to reduce quantity available, or even map it into the 4 choices at 4 levels (16 discoveries).
   
* alchemists get 1 grand discovery per milieu (in the middle levels of the milieu -- 4, 11, 18, 25, and 32.  -- Need to review grand discoveries for appropriateness at all levels.
  3rd Infinite Bombs
* update the infusion discovery to be just 1st and 2nd level extracts, and make more discoveries for sharing out higher level extracts.
  8th Hyper Tweaking
* replace all the damage type bomb discoveries with "element bomb" "rudiment bomb" and "fundament bomb" discoveries, instead, where a single damage type of common/uncommon/rare energy is selected at time discovery is taken. Each can be taken more than once to select another damage type of the same commonality.
  13th Mad Bomber
* grand discoveries could be a combination of several 'normal' discoveries -- e.g. 1 grand discovery = all 3 infusion discoveries; 1 grand discovery = greater and grand mutagen; 1 grand discovery = alchemical claws, prehensile organs, explosive halitosis, hyperextended joints. This would be in addition to the discoveries being available separately.
  18th Persistent Spark
 
  23rd Carpet Bomber
==Extracts==
  28th Soulfire
* are alchemists spontaneous casters (create extracts on the fly) or preparation casters (create extracts at the start of the day)? Currently, they are both, though they must have grand mutagen discovery to use (pre-prepared only) extracts in mutagen form.
  33rd Flesh Warping
 
  33rd Unborn Horror
== Alchemist Example Builds ==
  (not a legal build; needs reviewed)
 
=== Bomb-Throwing Build ===
Human, base stats: Str 16, Dex 14, Con 14, int 18, Wis 10, Chr 8.
 
Example Feats
 
1st  Level: Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot.  Lets you put your bombs exactly where you want them
 
3rd Level: Weapon Focus:Bombs.  Still making the bombs better.
 
5th Level: Extra Discovery: Acid Bombs*.  Now that the bombs go where you want them, you start to make them nassssty.
 
7th Level: Dodge.       A point of armor class and unlocks good stuff.
 
9th  Level: Close Quarters Thrower. Throw bombs in melee!
 
11th Level: Charging Hurler. Lets you keep up with the first round rush and still attack.
 
13th Level: Far Shot. Throw bombs waaaay further and still hit.
 
15th Level: Mobility. Avoid those attacks of opportunity.
 
17th Level: Shot on the Run. Pop around a corner, throw a bomb, hide. So awesome.
 
19th Level: Clustered Shots. This lets you punch through DR like crazy.
 
 
Example Discoveries:
 
2nd Level: Precise Bombs
 
4th Level: Explosive Bombs*
 
6th Level: Breath Weapon Bomb
 
8th Level: Fast Bombs
 
10th Level: Force Bomb*
 
12th Level: Demolition Bomb*
 
14th Level: Dispelling Bomb*
 
16th Level: Frost Bomb*
 
18th Level: Elixir of Life
 
20th Level: Fast Healing 5, Smoke Bomb*, Inferno Bomb*.
 
 
 
=== Hulchemist Build ===
Human, base stats: Str 16, Dex 14, Con 14, int 18, Wis 10, Chr 8
 
Example Feats
 
1st Level: Dodge, Mobility. Move around in melee, get hit less, and melee sucks, you want the armor class bad.
 
3rd Level: Weapon Focus: Natural Attacks.  Yeah, you wreck'em in melee, you betcha!
 
5th Level:  Power Attack. Yeah, you wreck'em in melee, you betcha!
 
7th Level: Point Blank Shot. Still gotta work the bombs!
 
9th level: Toughness. Hit points, baby!
 
11th Level: Precise Shot. Workin' the bombs
 
13th level: Shot on the Run. The corner thing, so awesome.
 
15th Level: Rending Claws. Oh, yeah, even more melee damage
 
17th Level: Defensive Combat Training. Stops the bad guys from tackling you all the time
 
19th Level: Advanced Def Combat Training. No, seriously. Getting grappled sucks.
 
 
 
Example Discoveries:
 
2nd Level:  Alchemical Claw
 
4th Level:  Spontaneous Healing
 
6th Level:  Greater Mutagen
 
8th Level:  Vestigial Arm
 
10th Level: Vestigial Arm
 
12th Level: Grand Mutagen
 
14th Level: Tentacle
 
16th Level: True Mutagen
 
18th Level: Nauseating Flesh
 
20th Level: Alchemical Abomination, Improved Alchemical Claw, Preserve Organs.

Latest revision as of 17:52, 17 December 2020


1st	Selective (Feat)
3rd	Point-Blank Shot (Feat) 
5th	Ammo Drop (Feat)
7th	Large Target (Feat)
9th	Splash Weapon Mastery (Feat)
11th	Bomb, Improved (Feat)
13th	Weapon Focus (Feat) - Sling
15th	Prone Slinger (Feat)
17th	Rod Whisperer (Feat)
19th	Dodge (Feat)
21st	Bomb, Mighty (Feat)
23rd	Mobility (Feat)
25th	Shot on the Run (Feat)
27th	Weapon Focus, Greater (Feat) - Sling
29th	Meta-Extract (Feat)
31st	Cataclysm in a Bottle (Feat)
33rd	Annus Mirabilis (Feat)
35th	Empowering Bomb (Feat)



Discoveries 

2nd	directed bomb
4th	element bomb 
6th	dispelling bomb
8th	greater mutagen
10th	breath weapon bomb
12th	rudiment bomb
14th	fundament bomb
16th	demolition charge
18th	lesser infusion
20th	explosive bomb
22nd	greater infusion
24th	major infusion
26th	immolation bomb
28th	perfect infusion
30th	mutation mastery
32nd	delayed bomb
34th	vestigial arm



Grand Discoveries

3rd		Infinite Bombs
8th		Hyper Tweaking
13th		Mad Bomber
18th		Persistent Spark
23rd		Carpet Bomber
28th		Soulfire
33rd 		Flesh Warping
33rd		Unborn Horror
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